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Eliot Wilson's avatar

Perhaps, but my instinct says no. Countries which retain the death penalty are very much outriders now, and we’ve seen the complex and tortuous arguments in the United States about methods of execution. We also seem to be in a period of very low trust of state institutions, so the idea of handing back that most grave of powers seems unlikely.

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Very interesting piece, thank you. I recommend Pierrepoint's autobiography to anyone reading this, a fascinating book.

I think you missed discussion of one very important point: that supporters of the death penalty tend not simply to believe in capital punishment for the purposes of state retribution and revenge, but rather to believe that capital punishment is the only just punishment for specific crimes. For the conservative, the question is thus a problem not of social mores changing, but of whether the people can expect real justice from the state. I think this has had several pernicious effects, but a general feeling of the law being useless in punishing serious and dreadful crimes, is not a good thing for a society to have - and we have had it for decades now.

Also, I am an observant Roman Catholic, and I have no problem at all in principle with the justice of the death penalty. Indeed the current pope and bishops' position on this I find flies directly in the face of pretty much the entire history and doctrine of the Catholic church concerning justice and killing: the pope and bishops can write as many theological letters as they please on the subject and unless this change is to be declared infallibly I am still under no obligation to agree with them. I have never met the pope, but I've met a few of our bishops in the UK and plenty of our priests, some in quite senior positions. They're nearly all very nice chaps, but I don't think it's especially unfair to point out that (close to) a majority of them are a certain sort of middle class, middle aged, well educated, gentle natured and mild mannered, closeted homosexual. And like nearly everyone who fits that description, their politics and social mores are of course basically liberal, which they often openly conflate with their religion. They are nice people, and they mean well, but considering how they dealt with the pedophile crisis in the church, I'm not convinced they can be considered useful guides to the Catholic faithful on the Christian understanding of justice, if they are openly departing from the church's traditional view in this regard (historically the RC church has never opposed capital punishment in principle). It's worth remembering what Christ said about those who would harm 'one of these little ones' - because it sounds a lot like the death penalty to me - and then compare to our dithering bishops and priests, who quietly shuffled the pedophiles into different parishes, and hushed the whole thing up. Frankly, as a group, I'm not sure their opinions on criminal justice - once they depart from the basic tenets of catholic faith and tradition - are worth a damn.

I happen to think we ought not to bring back hanging in the UK at present: but that's chiefly because I think our current society and politics are so deranged from basic Christian morality that it would be a terrible weapon to put in the hands of the sort of people we put in parliament. I don't want Starmer to be able to decide who dies, and what for. I don't even trust him to tie up my shoelaces. But in a broadly Christian society, under a common law, I would have no problem with the death penalty as the only just punishment possible for certain crimes.

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